In the video above it looks like Lewis is moving to the right. If you look at Hamiltons onboard he is following the curve of the track. Does not look good for Pastor in this one
@ AC & DM, Hamilton was on a hot lap & Maldonado was moving slowly. What do you expect Hamilton to do, wait patiently for Pastor to move out of the way?
You do always see drivers move offline when they see or are told someone behind them is on a hot lap, although in this case there were not a lot of options for Pastor. The retribution though is absurd, agreed he should sit this one out. In the NFL/NBA/etc. usually that would also mean they wouldn't get paid too...
I thought both were on a hotlap. That said, Ham got alongside and was ahead at turn in so pastor should have given him room - nothing wrong with that IMHO.
The onboard then shows how out of order Pastor was after. Even if you disagree with my view of the chicane incident it doesn't excuse what Pastor did.
When you leave a gap down the inside that's big enough to fit a supertanker, of course the following car's going to go for it. Maldonado was in no position to get into Q3, Lewis was pushing to get into the top 10. I saw absolutely nothing wrong with Lewis' move down the inside. Anyone who does harbours an obvious anti-Hamilton bias. Any other driver, and you'd never call foul on what was a perfectly acceptable overtake on a driver who left a massive gap on the inside. Pastor's temper got the better of him, and personally, I think a 5 place grid drop is not enough, considering you'd get the same for something as simple as crossing the white line on pit exit too early. Blatantly sideswiping another car, regardless of who the drivers involved are, should be considered a 'red card' offence. As in 'go home, your weekend is over'.
I realize that bashing Hamilton is fashionable around here, but Hamilton was on a flyer for the pole, and the back-marker Pastor was CRAWLING through the chicane. You don't get poles without aggressively working through traffic (or planning your laps better).
If I were on a run for pole knowing the way Vettel streaks away if he's in front, and someone not in the running was holding me up, you'd better believe I'd make an aggressive move on him if it meant getting around.
My only thought from watching it on Speed is wondering if that little jaunt to the right from Hamilton was meant (or was perceived by Pastor) to be a little brinkmanship on Hamilton's part. The onboard made it look less so, but at first blush on SPEED, I thought "What is Hamilton DOING!?" then after watching I had to wonder. Either way, Maldanado got off pretty light with a 5 spot penalty.
Personally - I LOVE IT! About time we had a little more attitude in F1! If your going slower than the car behind you - expect to be passed and passed aggressively! On most of the tracks its hard to pass expect on long straights anyway so the only REAL passing occurs under braking or dive bombing corners. Either (1) get out of the way or (2) defend your spot. If you defend - expect aggressive passing maneuvers. A little paint or body work is to be expected. This "Sharing" the track is BS in my opinion - if you Bump somebody there is a risk you hurt yourself but a risk that should be taken more often I think.
I think Hamilton did nothing wrong. He was on a hot lap. Not only was he on a hot lap but the time in Q2 just barely ended right before he could cross the line. He basically had to do that in order to set the time he did. He would have had an even faster time if there weren't three cars in front of him. Maldonado was clearly at fault trying to pass Hamilton so aggressively when Q2 was over. Why did he need to pass him like that!?
Side note: Senna drove the hell out of that Renault.
From the behind view, Hamilton had no room on the track, and he definitely had more speed. Maldonado deserved the penalty, he needs to learn how to play the game.
AC and DM you're completley right, Hamy needs to rethink his whole attitude (not that he does think), I can't believe he didn't get a penalty, just a reprimand?! Maldonado has every right to take his normal line, even if he misses the apex by a car width. He shouldnt be passing in qualifying to begin with, then to use the other car as a berm!! That lap shouldn't be allowed, where in the rules does it say you can use berms to gain an advantage. Then hamilton goes with that fu swerve, WTF, he was asking for it. Now I see where AC has been coming from all along, the hamy fan boys that control the system make us think he's all great even though he keeps pulling stuff like this
Reprimand, PAH! Maldonado tries to go around him and Lewis tries to cover him, goes back, and changes his line again.
The incident had nothing to do with the final corner incident, Maldonado was just trying to get around him. If you watch the in-car you'll see that the speed differential meant that Maldonado never tried to slow down to motion his angry towards Lewis.
Linking Maldonado's behaviour to any earlier event is a complete red-herring.
Any driver petulantly crashing into a competitor like that (though I'm sure he didn't mean to connect, just to make a point) needs to be hauled before the stewards and sent packing for the rest of the weekend at the very least. Motorsport is bloody dangerous enough without this kind of behaviour.
It's worth remembering the many volunteers who work trackside to make motorsport possible, and if they're doing it in Belgium then they're doing it in the rain quite a lot. Endangering them is a dick move.
can't see anything wrong with the overtake at bus-stop, firstly Hamilton was WAY faster and FIA usually penalize slow moving cars when they fail to move over, secondly it was a near perfect overtake, since the WHOLE car was inside Pastor's Williams.
Pastor should have been disqualified and charged with some kind of money penalty since he made a retributive hit wich could have been much worse for both of the drivers. That said, Ham clearly made a "F*ck You Mate" move just out of turn one as to scare Pastor, but then, come on a retributive hit is just something you can't get away with.
Bus Stop : Maldonando was way too slow and was borderline blocking Hamilton who was on his fast lap. As above, FIA have a history of penalising cars for blocking.
La Source: At first glance I thought PM had actually touched LH. Then I thougt LH had just wheelspun and slipped sideways. If it was a "FU mate" move. The fact that Maldonado managed to then catastrophically hit LH shows a fundamental lack of judgement. Ultimately, no great problems arose from the contact. But anyone thinking of hiring Maldonando and his $millions is probably looking elsewhere now.
Personally I don't think retributive hits should get any less then total disqualification for the event. Make Maldonado sit this one out.
ReplyDeleteAwww, does Louise have his tutu in a bunch again?
ReplyDeleteIn the video above it looks like Lewis is moving to the right. If you look at Hamiltons onboard he is following the curve of the track. Does not look good for Pastor in this one
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hHG3rPl5UM&feature=youtu.be
Hamilton used Maldonado's car as a berm at the Bus-Stop. I'm amazed that Hamilton's lap was allowed to stand.
ReplyDelete@DM..precisely, not that it excuses Maldonado but it did not happen in a vacuum
ReplyDelete@ AC & DM, Hamilton was on a hot lap & Maldonado was moving slowly. What do you expect Hamilton to do, wait patiently for Pastor to move out of the way?
ReplyDeleteMaldonado has every right to be on the track as Hamilton does. Hamilton believes everyone should just move out of his way?
ReplyDeleteBut Hamilton was on a hot lap and Pastor was moving really slowly. Are you saying it is ok to block someone?
ReplyDeleteYou do always see drivers move offline when they see or are told someone behind them is on a hot lap, although in this case there were not a lot of options for Pastor. The retribution though is absurd, agreed he should sit this one out. In the NFL/NBA/etc. usually that would also mean they wouldn't get paid too...
ReplyDeleteI thought both were on a hotlap. That said, Ham got alongside and was ahead at turn in so pastor should have given him room - nothing wrong with that IMHO.
ReplyDeleteThe onboard then shows how out of order Pastor was after. Even if you disagree with my view of the chicane incident it doesn't excuse what Pastor did.
When you leave a gap down the inside that's big enough to fit a supertanker, of course the following car's going to go for it. Maldonado was in no position to get into Q3, Lewis was pushing to get into the top 10. I saw absolutely nothing wrong with Lewis' move down the inside. Anyone who does harbours an obvious anti-Hamilton bias. Any other driver, and you'd never call foul on what was a perfectly acceptable overtake on a driver who left a massive gap on the inside. Pastor's temper got the better of him, and personally, I think a 5 place grid drop is not enough, considering you'd get the same for something as simple as crossing the white line on pit exit too early. Blatantly sideswiping another car, regardless of who the drivers involved are, should be considered a 'red card' offence. As in 'go home, your weekend is over'.
ReplyDeleteI realize that bashing Hamilton is fashionable around here, but Hamilton was on a flyer for the pole, and the back-marker Pastor was CRAWLING through the chicane. You don't get poles without aggressively working through traffic (or planning your laps better).
ReplyDeleteIf I were on a run for pole knowing the way Vettel streaks away if he's in front, and someone not in the running was holding me up, you'd better believe I'd make an aggressive move on him if it meant getting around.
My only thought from watching it on Speed is wondering if that little jaunt to the right from Hamilton was meant (or was perceived by Pastor) to be a little brinkmanship on Hamilton's part. The onboard made it look less so, but at first blush on SPEED, I thought "What is Hamilton DOING!?" then after watching I had to wonder. Either way, Maldanado got off pretty light with a 5 spot penalty.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw Hamilton give Maldonato the little FU swerve....
ReplyDeletePersonally - I LOVE IT! About time we had a little more attitude in F1! If your going slower than the car behind you - expect to be passed and passed aggressively! On most of the tracks its hard to pass expect on long straights anyway so the only REAL passing occurs under braking or dive bombing corners. Either (1) get out of the way or (2) defend your spot. If you defend - expect aggressive passing maneuvers. A little paint or body work is to be expected. This "Sharing" the track is BS in my opinion - if you Bump somebody there is a risk you hurt yourself but a risk that should be taken more often I think.
ReplyDeleteI think Hamilton did nothing wrong. He was on a hot lap. Not only was he on a hot lap but the time in Q2 just barely ended right before he could cross the line. He basically had to do that in order to set the time he did. He would have had an even faster time if there weren't three cars in front of him. Maldonado was clearly at fault trying to pass Hamilton so aggressively when Q2 was over. Why did he need to pass him like that!?
ReplyDeleteSide note: Senna drove the hell out of that Renault.
From the behind view, Hamilton had no room on the track, and he definitely had more speed. Maldonado deserved the penalty, he needs to learn how to play the game.
ReplyDeleteAC and DM you're completley right, Hamy needs to rethink his whole attitude (not that he does think), I can't believe he didn't get a penalty, just a reprimand?! Maldonado has every right to take his normal line, even if he misses the apex by a car width. He shouldnt be passing in qualifying to begin with, then to use the other car as a berm!! That lap shouldn't be allowed, where in the rules does it say you can use berms to gain an advantage. Then hamilton goes with that fu swerve, WTF, he was asking for it. Now I see where AC has been coming from all along, the hamy fan boys that control the system make us think he's all great even though he keeps pulling stuff like this
ReplyDeleteReprimand, PAH!
ReplyDeleteMaldonado tries to go around him and Lewis tries to cover him, goes back, and changes his line again.
The incident had nothing to do with the final corner incident, Maldonado was just trying to get around him.
If you watch the in-car you'll see that the speed differential meant that Maldonado never tried to slow down to motion his angry towards Lewis.
Linking Maldonado's behaviour to any earlier event is a complete red-herring.
ReplyDeleteAny driver petulantly crashing into a competitor like that (though I'm sure he didn't mean to connect, just to make a point) needs to be hauled before the stewards and sent packing for the rest of the weekend at the very least. Motorsport is bloody dangerous enough without this kind of behaviour.
It's worth remembering the many volunteers who work trackside to make motorsport possible, and if they're doing it in Belgium then they're doing it in the rain quite a lot. Endangering them is a dick move.
can't see anything wrong with the overtake at bus-stop, firstly Hamilton was WAY faster and FIA usually penalize slow moving cars when they fail to move over, secondly it was a near perfect overtake, since the WHOLE car was inside Pastor's Williams.
ReplyDeletePastor should have been disqualified and charged with some kind of money penalty since he made a retributive hit wich could have been much worse for both of the drivers.
That said, Ham clearly made a "F*ck You Mate" move just out of turn one as to scare Pastor, but then, come on a retributive hit is just something you can't get away with.
Bus Stop : Maldonando was way too slow and was borderline blocking Hamilton who was on his fast lap. As above, FIA have a history of penalising cars for blocking.
ReplyDeleteLa Source: At first glance I thought PM had actually touched LH. Then I thougt LH had just wheelspun and slipped sideways. If it was a "FU mate" move. The fact that Maldonado managed to then catastrophically hit LH shows a fundamental lack of judgement. Ultimately, no great problems arose from the contact. But anyone thinking of hiring Maldonando and his $millions is probably looking elsewhere now.