tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post4878605363101517644..comments2023-10-26T05:40:57.781-04:00Comments on Axis Of Oversteer: 2010 Japanese Grand Prix Executive SummaryAChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04209280332953683555noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-74686448477266038282010-10-13T11:36:47.270-04:002010-10-13T11:36:47.270-04:00f1fen: 28.6(a) refers only to the replacement gear...f1fen: 28.6(a) refers only to the replacement gearbox. It is saying that if the team does not use the replacement gearbox at the race after the first time it was used, they will not be penalized with another grid penalty, provided they use another gearbox that is alotted to them under standard procedure. What Whitmarsh is saying is that the first gearbox that broke in Japan was on its fourth race; the replacement lasted one race, so they are using the next gearbox that is alotted to them for the next four races. If Hamilton's gearbox (his last one) breaks in Korea, Brazil, and/or Abu Dhabi, he will take a grid penalty for every race that he has to use another gearbox. <br /><br />But, like I pointed out above, this replacement gearbox that failed but survived in Suzuka could be used again because the failed part (the 3rd gear dog) is legally replaced.Bennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-2846799896456690352010-10-13T01:04:46.576-04:002010-10-13T01:04:46.576-04:00@Ben: Whitmarsh: "It was third gear and proba...@Ben: Whitmarsh: "It was third gear and probably a dog – but it won't be a problem for the next race. We've taken the penalty for this weekend so we had a free gearbox change for the next race." - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87416<br /><br />About regulations: you need to look only on second paragraph from 28.6a (which you completely ignored), because Hamilton use replacement gearbox and take five places drop. <br />"Any replacement gearbox must be fitted with the same gear ratios that were declared under d) below and will only be required to complete the remainder of the Event in question. Any change to the gear ratios declared under d) below will incur a further five grid place penalty. In either case a new four race sequence may start at the following Event."<br /><br />Since Hamilton use replacement gearbox and drop only five places his case is:<br />"Any replacement gearbox must be fitted with the same gear ratios that were declared under d) below and will only be required to complete the remainder of the Event in question."<br /><br />Note: "and will only be required to complete the remainder of the Event"<br /><br />Felipe Massa have new gearbox for Japan race in same fashion. He have replacement gearbox for Singapore and new one in Japan - which is clear from race report (http://fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Documents/jpn-race-report.pdf). You can look at race report where you can see: "The following drivers will start the sixteenth Event of the 2010 Formula One World<br />Championship with a new gearbox:<br />07 Ferrari Felipe Massa - The above driver had to replace his previous gearbox during the last Event for a spare gearbox and this was before the four consecutive Events expired. Therefore he may use a new gearbox at this Event and the four consecutive Events will start here in accordance with Article 28.6a of the 2010 Formula One Sporting Regulations."<br /><br />As far as I know this rule is for limit number of gearboxes which every team bring for race and lower expenses. Now they bring two for each driver - one for friday (which then become spare or replacement) and one for fp3, qualifying and race (which must last for four races). Before they bring 3 gearboxes per driver. One for friday, one for spare and one for fp3, qualifying and race.<br /><br />Cheers :)f1fenhttp://f1.f-e-n.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-88673652607891843722010-10-12T12:50:42.860-04:002010-10-12T12:50:42.860-04:00Hmmm...so I was right to begin with? I thought s...Hmmm...so I was right to begin with? I thought so, what sense would it make to get 2 gearboxes out of a penalty?AChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04209280332953683555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-26984731464969542702010-10-12T12:38:55.729-04:002010-10-12T12:38:55.729-04:00Article 28.6(a) "Should a driver use a replac...Article 28.6(a) "Should a driver use a replacement gearbox he will drop five places on the starting grid at that Event and an additional five places each time a further gearbox is used... Unless the driver fails to finish the race, the gearbox fitted to the car at the end of the Event must remain in it for three further Events."<br /><br />Martin Brundle is the only person saying otherwise. However Martin Whitmarsh made a publicized statement saying they "hope to avoid" a penalty in Korea. This is likely because, according to Mclaren, the failure was the 3rd-gear dog, which are replaceable once per event per article 28.6(d).Bennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-16856245036377935342010-10-12T10:17:43.542-04:002010-10-12T10:17:43.542-04:00I think the Webber fastest lap on the last lap was...I think the Webber fastest lap on the last lap was very telling. He's got it covered. It's his championship to loose.<br /><br />Ben, it's probably 100% fair because that's how the rules are written - probably to annoy non-brits with a bhip on their shoulder! ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-73231853507272316312010-10-11T21:45:36.505-04:002010-10-11T21:45:36.505-04:00I agree, the Red Bulls were just going as fast as...I agree, the Red Bulls were just going as fast as needed at the end, You all heard Alonso on the radio...he was trying...<br />As far ar RB not backing Webber, yeah, they don't want Webber to win, or rather, they would prefer Vettel win and they will just not do a thing to help Mark out. Now Webber has to play the statistics game, not sure that's going to work for him.AChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04209280332953683555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-75038649010723091052010-10-11T19:43:01.562-04:002010-10-11T19:43:01.562-04:00Red Bull are crazy for not backing Webber the last...Red Bull are crazy for not backing Webber the last few races.<br /><br />Those points Vettel has taken will have cost them the championship if Alonso wins.Bjornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02092866971709696017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-13927947261133360952010-10-11T18:37:36.239-04:002010-10-11T18:37:36.239-04:00My heart says Webber, my head says Alonso, hes jus...My heart says Webber, my head says Alonso, hes just got way too much momentum, and the Ferrari is killing it, only problem is engines.<br /><br />I was discussing this with a mate, the whole race it looked like Webber was driving around at 90%, he could have pushed a lot harder and challenged Vettel more.<br />However, at the end of the day it would have been pointless, doubt he could make it past, and Red Bull probably team ordered no stupidity this race.<br /><br />I don't like saying it but I don't think Webber has it in him to win/podium next 3 races.MrQuicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-75653613599747168392010-10-11T17:51:00.755-04:002010-10-11T17:51:00.755-04:00@Ben: I doubt 5 more laps would have changed anyth...@Ben: I doubt 5 more laps would have changed anything. Webber surely was aware of Alonso's pace and was doing only what needed to be done to bring the horse home. <br /><br />Besides, Webber put up Fastest Lap on the last lap of the race. Clearly he was able to turn up the heat when he wanted to. <br /><br />Webber HAS to prodium rest of the season or he will lose it. Alonso is just too poised.A Trainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13667853979812133677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-44992166339451968852010-10-11T17:18:02.568-04:002010-10-11T17:18:02.568-04:00Too bad we didn't have about 5 more laps. Alon...Too bad we didn't have about 5 more laps. Alonso was taking like half a second per lap out of the Red Bulls towards the end. Red Bull had mentioned before the race that they were worried about the Ferrari race pace. Sounds like their advantage came just a little too late.<br /><br />Too bad Hamilton broke too, he was inching towards Alonso as well. I think a 5th place finish is way more than he could ask for after a broken gearbox and a ridiculously stupid crash on Friday. <br /><br />How he gets away with two new gearboxes and only one penalty, god only knows. I'm sure the British motoring press will announce that that is 100% fair.Bennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-80573704154213424722010-10-11T16:28:04.616-04:002010-10-11T16:28:04.616-04:00Hamilton was unlucky not to get more from the week...Hamilton was unlucky not to get more from the weekend. He drove brilliantly to qualify in 3rd despite having no time to set up the car. A good battle with Alonso was looking likely until he lost 3rd gear.Lukenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-65601831877646642432010-10-11T14:45:09.456-04:002010-10-11T14:45:09.456-04:00Great Alonso's move over Button on the start.Great Alonso's move over Button on the start.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-10807362300403098322010-10-11T14:03:39.533-04:002010-10-11T14:03:39.533-04:00hahaha @ schumi comment! these are always brillian...hahaha @ schumi comment! these are always brilliant, please keep making them!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-50136662486942516592010-10-11T14:02:33.772-04:002010-10-11T14:02:33.772-04:00". Disaster for Hamilton whose brand new gear...". Disaster for Hamilton whose brand new gearbox broke, meaning yet another five spot grid penalty for the next race. " <br /><br />There's no penalty... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9079977.stm<br /><br />"The regulations dictate that if a grid penalty is taken then a new 'four-race' gearbox can be fitted from the next event, meaning that Hamilton will not take further pain in Korea for a new gearbox"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com