tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post4220291561110404261..comments2023-10-26T05:40:57.781-04:00Comments on Axis Of Oversteer: Needs to be said about Simonsen's accident...AChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04209280332953683555noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-59090542051948203642013-09-17T07:54:18.072-04:002013-09-17T07:54:18.072-04:00I totally agree, how much effort would it take to ...I totally agree, how much effort would it take to put a tyre wall in front of the barrier on the outside of a high speed corner with a row of substantial trees in front of it? Seems whoever signed off safety at Le Mans really needs to take responsibility for this. For a current GT race car to hit a solid object next to the track with all 4 wheels on the ground is totally unacceptable in this day and age. Tyre walls work, you only have to look at Anthony Davidson's horrendous accident last year, the tyre wall did its job even though his car was airborne at high speed. And that wasn't in front of a row of trees that even a 1100kg GT car travelling at over 100mph barely made a dent in. The more you look at what wasn't done to protect the drivers in the greatest endurance track race in the world, the more shocking and shameful this incident becomes. RIP Allan Simonsen....Chris Barnesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-17745855081614477252013-09-17T07:54:17.363-04:002013-09-17T07:54:17.363-04:00Well, there was a nice piece by Sam Posey later. ...Well, there was a nice piece by Sam Posey later. but you know, show must go on...AxisACnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-74076154461185535182013-09-17T07:54:17.089-04:002013-09-17T07:54:17.089-04:00This is tragic. Did anyone else find the lack of c...This is tragic. Did anyone else find the lack of commentary about it borderline rude on the SPEED coverage? They mentioned it once during a commercial break briefly and then ignored it for about four hours before they mentioned it again. And when they do mention it, they just coldly mention "that's racing."Clay@TrackDecalshttp://www.trackdecals.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-12558421365214999462013-09-17T07:54:15.050-04:002013-09-17T07:54:15.050-04:00Fair enough.Fair enough.Clay@TrackDecalshttp://www.trackdecals.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-81824713373480302402013-09-17T07:54:14.063-04:002013-09-17T07:54:14.063-04:00I heard the family told everyone not to talk about...I heard the family told everyone not to talk about it to much Devinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-9821226412440674262013-09-17T07:54:09.058-04:002013-09-17T07:54:09.058-04:00I agree...very strange place to crash and everythi...I agree...very strange place to crash and everything. I can see changes being made for next year to have tires or the barriers from the Monaco F1 GP on an portion of the track that doesn't have run off. Unfortunately it is too late to prevent a death this weekend but it helps them learn and do better next year.Geran Brownnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-22776802507534020292013-09-17T07:54:07.053-04:002013-09-17T07:54:07.053-04:00Its the French. What do you expect? The overwhelmi...Its the French. What do you expect? The overwhelming majority of racing deaths are caused by poor circuit safety design. It was a really odd place to crash. All the automotive motion was going forward to run parallel to the barrier. Granted he put the power down, got up too high on the paint, it kicked the back of the car out, he over corrected and went head on into the barrier. Ideally, there should have been 50 yards of runoff and three or four rows of tires. The guy would still be alive. This guys accident really bummed me out though. LeMans is no fun this year. RIP.Chesthair Cevertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-16848825957920951852013-09-17T07:54:05.055-04:002013-09-17T07:54:05.055-04:00Speed and Radio le Mans both did the same thing. T...Speed and Radio le Mans both did the same thing. The first thing they did to acknowledge was to read the official ACO statement. At the time, I was asking the same question. I think waiting for the official notice to be the broadcast-responsible solution.Bertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-65942485540277985752013-09-17T07:54:04.024-04:002013-09-17T07:54:04.024-04:00Could a nearer and parallel barrier to the track b...Could a nearer and parallel barrier to the track be useful? I mean, if the car could hit something before gaining inertia toward the left, without all that empty space till the trees, there wouldn't had been a front crash. It would be more like the Rebellion crash (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=b39V0qk3Qt0#t=23s), it hits much more softly and keeps going along the track.Carullinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-722729238442197822013-09-17T07:54:03.059-04:002013-09-17T07:54:03.059-04:00Obviously, everything that could go wrong in this ...Obviously, everything that could go wrong in this crash, did. Simonsen hit passenger side but likely right where a tree was rather than between. This multiplied the force of the impact. (check out how bent the whole frame looks in the picture). What I find absurd is that, given there had been an identical crash in 2007, nobody thought of protecting those trees with a tire wall.AxisACnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-84609928757465531152013-09-17T07:54:02.023-04:002013-09-17T07:54:02.023-04:00Motorsport is far too safe these days. Risk should...Motorsport is far too safe these days. Risk should be a major component of the sport. What next, armco the entire routes of the WRC?JCLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-58485691122139693352013-09-17T07:54:01.047-04:002013-09-17T07:54:01.047-04:00Spoken as someone who does not participate in moto...Spoken as someone who does not participate in motorsport I presume?AxisACnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-21196893647253768002013-09-17T07:53:58.049-04:002013-09-17T07:53:58.049-04:00Yeah okay...Yeah okay...Joon Kimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-44225860361559881992013-09-17T07:53:57.033-04:002013-09-17T07:53:57.033-04:00Such an unfortunate thing to happen. I hope they ...Such an unfortunate thing to happen. I hope they take a close look at that corner next year. In addition I hope perhaps like so many other motorsports tragedies we can learn something and IMPROVE safety.Joon Kimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-15220449825515679792013-09-17T07:53:56.027-04:002013-09-17T07:53:56.027-04:00the french make the safest track on earth, the pau...the french make the safest track on earth, the paul ricard ! and think only a second it was on a public road, how can you imagine create a run off here?! And Tire yeah great joke, if someone crash on it the tire wall blow off and the car behind hit them ! great idea too ! and dont talk about the wall in monaco we see their efficacity when maldonado hit it. it's maybe safer for the pilot who crash but more dangerous for the others ! Tertre rouge is the entry section off the hunaudiere the speed are too high to put that ! think a second before blaming the organisation.<br /><br /><br />If we do what you do the nurburgring became lame ! It's motorsport it's dangerous le mans is safer year after year but it's never enough for you.<br /><br />Great to judge bad to think for solution.dadybearnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-11085596838360245132013-09-17T07:53:55.020-04:002013-09-17T07:53:55.020-04:00I have a solution, it's called an FIA tire wal...I have a solution, it's called an FIA tire wall. Single armco against the trees on a corner exit is essentially useless. But don't take my word for it, I only race on a small scale at amateur level, let's ask Sean Edwards for example http://twitter.com/SeanEdwardsR/statuses/348729242919526400AxisACnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-29372544135536727362013-09-17T07:53:54.025-04:002013-09-17T07:53:54.025-04:00......AxisACnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-25197953378748217272013-09-17T07:53:52.996-04:002013-09-17T07:53:52.996-04:00like i said before the armco are dangerous ! we se...like i said before the armco are dangerous ! we see that at monaco the entire wall move, so no it's not a good solution for the other drivers, but only for the one who bump it.<br /><br />the only thing is to make the wall follow the trajectory not the public road at the exit of the tertre rouge.dadybearnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-35551313954694993512013-09-17T07:53:52.000-04:002013-09-17T07:53:52.000-04:00* not armco the new tire wall we see at monaco* not armco the new tire wall we see at monacodadybearnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-39170199266556454412013-09-17T07:53:51.003-04:002013-09-17T07:53:51.003-04:00armco is not the problem, the trees are...armco is not the problem, the trees are...AxisACnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-24383685833413591982013-09-17T07:53:50.017-04:002013-09-17T07:53:50.017-04:00the trees are not the problem, the problem is two ...the trees are not the problem, the problem is two third of the track is a public road. Cut the trees, make run off and it's a full race track, safe for sure, but not le mans anymore...<br /><br />their are death every year in nordschleife, if nobody improve the security it's because it's like kiling the spirit of the track.<br />Le mans already lost of his own when they cut the hunaudiere.<br />I'm not glad of the death of simonsen but the danger of our sports is what it makes it so special.dadybearnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-56993650035001957352013-09-17T07:53:49.013-04:002013-09-17T07:53:49.013-04:00Well Jacques Villeneuve has certainly said there s...Well Jacques Villeneuve has certainly said there should be a element of danger in the past as has Guy Martin. The alternative attittude is the banning of truly great motorsport events like the TT and all will be left is endless inconsequential run-off's like the current sanatised state of F1. Hey, if you don't like it there is always table tennis.JCLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-41170037033038689812013-09-17T07:53:48.016-04:002013-09-17T07:53:48.016-04:00I think there's a happy medium between 75G aga...I think there's a happy medium between 75G against a tree and table tennis...AxisACnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-61136496586962893402013-09-17T07:53:47.012-04:002013-09-17T07:53:47.012-04:00and here is what Dominik Farnbacher had to say... ...and here is what Dominik Farnbacher had to say... "If this tree right behind the guard rail would not be there.. Allan might still be with us!"AxisACnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17940643.post-57862226532994649312013-09-17T07:53:46.007-04:002013-09-17T07:53:46.007-04:00Just put some tires in front of the armco. Is that...Just put some tires in front of the armco. Is that too much to ask?AxelRippernoreply@blogger.com